IDLES’ Joe Talbot and Sleaford Mods’ Jason Williamson Bury the Hatchet in Revealing Podcast Chat

Joe Talbot and Jason Williamson put aside past tensions to share insights on creativity, class, and growth in a candid podcast conversation.

From Arch-Nemeses to Allies: An Unexpected Reunion

If you told me a few years ago that Joe Talbot and Jason Williamson—the fiery frontmen of IDLES and Sleaford Mods respectively—would be sharing laughs and thoughtful conversation on a podcast, I wouldn’t have believed you. But here we are. The two have laid down their past beef and come together for a heart-to-heart on Talbot's Oh Gatekeeper podcast, a meeting that’s as refreshing as it is surprising.

Back in 2019, the headlines were full of barbs flying between these two. Jason didn’t hold back, accusing IDLES of “appropriating a working class voice” and throwing shade at related bands like Fat White Family, calling them “a Moby covers band.” Joe, never one to shy from a fight, fired back with some biting remarks of his own, questioning, “What the f**k is wrong with the guy?” For a while, it seemed like that feud was here to stay.

But time, therapy, and maturity work wonders.

Healing Old Wounds Through Therapy and Understanding

Jason Williamson has opened up about how therapy played a crucial role in softening his approach. He confessed to moving away from his old habit of lashing out, calling it “completely ineffective.” Instead, he’s aiming for empathy and understanding—both towards himself and others.

This aligns with Joe Talbot’s own revelations earlier this year. He spoke about wanting to break free from cycles of pessimism and approach songwriting from a place of “needing love” rather than anger or frustration. The emotional growth on both sides is palpable.

Their new-found respect for each other was evident when Joe introduced Jason on the podcast as “an old and new friend.” It’s almost poetic, considering their history.

Candid Moments and Warm Banter on the Podcast

The vibe of their chat was refreshingly down-to-earth. Joe joked, “I’m on a Zoom with my arch-nemesis,” giving a teasing smirk at the camera. Jason fired back with a grin, calling Joe a “massive bastard” and quipping, “Well f**k you for inviting me on.” Classic banter, but beneath the jabs was genuine warmth.

They didn’t just reminisce but also shared their perspectives on the struggle of making a living in music—a topic close to their hearts.

“Making it in music is rare, in terms of being paid [to do it] as a job,” Joe revealed. “There’s always a wall to climb over.”

Jason nodded in agreement, adding, “If you’re going to get it handed to you on a plate though, it’s not going to be very interesting. That’s just basic mathematics.”

This honesty about the grind, the hustle, and the uncertainty of creative life makes their connection feel all the more real.

Wrestling with Emotion and Growth: The Artist’s Journey

One of the most compelling parts of their talk was the discussion of emotional struggles like imposter syndrome, frustration, and self-criticism. Jason shared that much of his frustration was rooted in sadness rather than insecurity—and therapy has helped him navigate that complexity.

“I don’t think I’ve got a low opinion of myself... Criticising others too much... I’m trying to overcome some of these attributes that are unattractive and unintelligent. I’m over them. But also at the same time I’m aware that there’s nothing wrong with feeling like that sometimes,” he revealed.

Joe resonated with this, opening up about how processing his anger has led him to a healthier emotional space.

“Emotionally… It’s OK to be ugly. It’s OK to feel ugly things,” he said. “If you’re not given that allowance, you go around thinking you’re the only one thinking ‘he’s a c**t.’”

He even admitted to struggling with paranoia in therapy, noting how important it is to express these feelings in music rather than bottling them up.

What’s Next for Sleaford Mods and IDLES?

Fans eagerly awaiting Sleaford Mods’ next chapter will be thrilled to hear their eighth album, The Demise Of Planet X, drops on January 16, 2026. This album promises collaborations with some incredible artists, including soul singer Liam Bailey, grime MC Snowy, Life Without Buildings’ Sue Tompkins, and Aldous Harding. It’s shaping up to be a compelling body of work.

Meanwhile, IDLES is gearing up for a new era after their massive success with 2024’s chart-topping TANGK. Joe teased that their upcoming album will be “more driven,” hinting at some of their most energetic and focused work yet.

Aside from band projects, Joe also recently teamed up with Gorillaz for the reflective single “The God of Lying.” The band is also slated to join Deftones at the All Points East festival in 2026 and support Foo Fighters on their European stadium tour. Big things are on the horizon!

Final Thoughts: When Rivalry Turns to Respect

It’s rare and truly special to witness two artists, once at odds, find common ground. Joe Talbot and Jason Williamson’s podcast is a masterclass in growth, honesty, and the complicated journey of creativity. Their shared working-class roots and relentless drive have shaped their music and lives, but it’s their willingness to evolve and be open that really stands out.

So, what’s your take? Can old rivalries turn into powerful friendships? It seems with enough self-reflection and empathy, anything’s possible.

FAQ

• How did Joe Talbot and Jason Williamson first clash? Their feud began in 2019 when Jason accused IDLES of appropriating a working-class voice, leading to a series of public barbs exchanged between them.
• What changed to bring them together recently? Both artists have undergone personal growth, with therapy helping Jason become more empathetic and Joe striving to channel his emotions more constructively.
• What themes do both musicians explore in their songwriting? They share a focus on working-class experiences, emotional honesty, and a desire to challenge pessimism with authenticity.
• When is Sleaford Mods’ next album releasing? The Demise Of Planet X is set to release on January 16, 2026.
• What upcoming tours and collaborations are IDLES involved in? IDLES will join Deftones at the All Points East festival and open for Foo Fighters’ 2026 European stadium tour, along with collaborating with Gorillaz on “The God of Lying.”

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